WHAT DO END USERS REALLY THINK OF DOMAINS?
July 13th, 2009 Posted in Advertising Agencies, Aftermarket, Business Sector, Domain Appraisals, General Domain News
Hi Gang,
This is an important read for those who think buying generic descriptive domains are valuable investments, and believe that their core market demographic is the end user whose products and services (prodservs) your domain name describes.
There was a recent article in RJ’s LowDown regarding non-domainer companies who “get it” about the purchase of domain names to further enhance their prodservs online. RJ mainly focused on British examples, so I can’t comment on this part of the article because I’m not familiar with all of the companies nor the generic terms in Great Britain. However, there was a final list in the article provided by my friend and associate, Rob Sequin, who built a page of 250 corporate companies who supposedly “get it”.
The list I based this article on can be found here. Since I have many years of advertising/marketing experience that allows me to give deeper branding commentary regarding domains, end users, and advertising agencies, my article is intended to correct some inconsistencies or “misinterpretations” in the article I read, with no intention of demeaning the spirit of the article nor the services provided by both of my friends.
I wrote to Ron Jackson about his article and he had a spot-on response, as expected:
“There is no doubt that the 200 examples of category-killing domains from Edwin’s list are a better example of corporations “getting it” than the names used for marketing campaigns that Rob covers. As I noted in my post, Rob took a broad view of how companies were using domains in their marketing campaigns. I cited his list because I see it as a positive that companies are using domains beyond their own brand name as tools for marketing their products of services (even if they are not particularly good domains or names that have any inherent value in the way that category defining names do).
I fully agree with your observation that these agency-inspired names are far less beneficial to corporations in the long run than a generic word or term that defines their products or services would be. I am hopeful that as time goes on these brand owners, having take the baby step of using domain names as marketing tools, will finally realize that the real rewards lie in obtaining the category killer domains that, for a one time expenditure, would bring traffic directly to their door from now on, eliminating the need to give the agencies millions of dollars for campaign after campaign for decades to come.”
While I understand the overall intention of my friend, Rob, (to whom I also wrote and he gave me a thumbs-up to go ahead with this story) and his goal to improve domainers’ end user expectations on their domain values, his list needs to be honed down, and a lot.
Here’s the problems:
This list, although intended to display domains that companies bought to increase their online marketing brand, in reality, perfectly shows exactly why so many companies do not get it. This is not Rob’s mistake, nor failure in any way on his part. Keeping up with the status of 250 domains you initially thought were used to promote a company is a hard job to do, (and he told me his intention was to list the fact that ad agencies were buying domains to promote ad campaigns, and that’s a good thing). Kudos to Rob for putting this list together.
Rob actually initiated an obvious goal that we all need to start collecting great examples of generic descriptive domains that are sold to end users and developed, or pointed to working websites. Why? Because we can use these domains being utilized by the companies who bought them to promote all generic descriptive domains to other end users.
Reviewing the list, we find that most of these domains were based on advertising campaigns created by ad agencies working for the companies in question. However, these are not domains clearly representing the prodservs of the companies who hired the ad agencies. These are domains promoting the particular ad campaigns that the ad agency created. This is not in the best interest of the company the ad agency is supposed to represent. Additionally, the ad agencies who were at least buying domains doesn’t take into consideration that the ad agency campaign domains are horrendous as far as “everlast” values, and even worse for domain flippers, and the ad agency usually buys the domain as a new registration – not from the domain aftermarket.
For a few examples, let’s start with some of the domains on his list:
SuitcaseOfCash.com – It is parked at Smartname.com, under a proxy. Rob has this domain connected with “A&E” but they aren’t the listed owners.
ABetterCommunity.com – It does point to an ABC environmental website, but the domain name would be very weak if appraised. The marketing firm obviously got cute with using the first letters for the acronym “ABC” to buy and promote the domain name, but wouldn’t “EnvironmentalAmerica dotcom” or something more direct regarding environmental awareness work better and be more powerful than just the cute acronym connection to “ABC”, starting with the adjective “a”?
OnlyTheyKnow.com – Another ABC network domain name. It points to their “go” page, with no apparent relevance to any product or service they are offering. Only who knows? What do they know? And who are “they”? How is this domain name valuable?
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Let’s move into an area where the domains themselves have absolutely no value whatsoever, and go against every appraisal method most pro-domainers use in considering a domain’s value.
DontAlmostGive.org – What? A contraction in a domain name? And ironically, or maybe just revealing, the domain is representing “The Ad Council”. Should we be surprised or disgusted that an organization specifically dedicated to helping promote PSA’s can’t come up with a strong domain phrase? This is the best the ad agency council can do? (BBDO is “credited”, yipes) NOTE: This domain literally has improper grammatical structure (the domain means “Do Not Almost Give” - type that into your Word document with grammar checking turned on). They bought a domain that also features a mistake that is one of the first things most domainers learn, “DONT” buy a domain name that includes a contraction. Why didn’t they buy “GiveToCharity.org” or “BeCharitable.org” or something even remotely sensible?
NaturesMiracleFood.com – The American Egg Board embraced this domain, (another contraction), which doesn’t even mention the word “egg”. Wouldn’t a domain name like “EggsareHealthy.org”? Or “EatEggs.org” be better? However, the advertised domain doesn’t even closely represent the product that the American Egg Board represents. It’s a horrible example of a domain name representing the prodservs of a company or organization. But it gets worse. The American Egg Board doesn’t own this domain anymore. Ironically, the new owners of this domain have a website up about food and nutrition, but their “Breakfast Food” link doesn’t even mention the word “eggs”. Really. What did the American Egg Board choose for their official domain? AEB.org.
CAVEAT: They did buy americaneggboard.org, but they don’t yet have it pointing to their website yet.
BeUgly07.com – Another domain name purchased by Disney, except this domain doesn’t resolve. What does it mean, and what was it used for? This would be a domain name, if up for auction, that wouldn’t sell for more than its registration fee, if it sold at all. I believe it wouldn’t even sell on Afternic’s Bazaar for $1.
FindTheArtInTheEveryday.com – For the supposedly savvy Banana Republic company, here’s a domain covered in words we try to avoid as domainers: “the” and “in” where the word “the” is mentioned twice. How well is this domain working for the Banana Republic? It’s working so well it’s on a Sedo landing page and they don’t own the domain. The phrase itself, in quotes, comes up with 33 google results. Hardly a domain name that shows that a company is “getting it”, and if an ad agency did try to “brand” their ad campaign with this loser of a domain, they didn’t leave a mark.
ManLaws.com - Miller Brewing used this site for a commercial. In fairness to the power of the domain, I did not research this domain or phrase on the internet, other than trying to get it to resolve to a website. It didn’t resolve as of the date I’m writing. I’m using Firefox. So here’s a domain name that clearly was used for an ad campaign, now defunct, as opposed to buying a domain name to serve as a branding site that can be commonly interpreted by the “layman” as something Miller Brewing provides them.
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Reviewing the whole list, I saw the majority of the domains as really being useless as domainers would see them, and even more useless to the original companies to which they were intended. There are might be 70 good representations of domains that actually serve the companies in this list. That’s less than 30% of the whole list. Can you find them?
I think just by randomly reviewing these domains, any domainer can see that they aren’t serving the intended end user company very well, and the companies who are/were utilizing them still have no clue as to what domains they should be buying.
Bottom Line: Many of these domains are great examples of lame ad agency domains never intended to benefit their client’s prodservs, or definitely not intended to serve as an appreciable marketing asset for their client. The end user is the final demographic that defines the value of domains, and the best domains are generic descriptive words/phrases of a company’s prodservs. These are the simple but inarguable facts of a domain’s value.
When an ad agency buys a domain for a client’s prodservs and then promotes it within mainstream media vehicles, they aren’t actually serving the company that hired them, they are serving their “ego” and their own interests with a domain that represents the ad campaign they created. This happens hundreds of times a week.
Simply put, ad agencies are buying domains that promote their ad campaigns, not the generic descriptive domains representing the prodservs of the company that hired them. The correct marketing online push would be that every company captures as many generic descriptive domains representing their prodserves BEFORE they embark on some nutty ad campaign where the agency buys a bloated domain phrase that is worthless, just like the traditional advertising mediums the ad agency uses to promote the campaign.
My estimation right now is that most companies still don’t get it, but they might get it soon with efforts by an organized marketing campaign from the domain community. Who is harshing our high? The buzzkill comes from the very “professional assistance” these companies seek to promote their prodservs – the ad agencies.
It’s important for you to understand this:
QUESTION: Why don’t ad agencies look for helping their clients obtain their prodservs domain?
ANSWER: A great descriptive domain name of an ad agency’s client’s prodservs defeats the control the ad agency wants – and that control is being able to charge the company hourly/placement/advertising fees that makes the ad agency a lot of money. A premium domain removes that control from the ad agency by providing automatic branding and typein (“name direction”) leads.
This is an extremely important factor in understanding where the value of domains truly is. My decade of active domaining clearly tells me that after all the neon lights and fireworks we’ve undergone in the last 8 years for “PPC” “Multiples” and incestuous flipping, the value of a domain is with the end user.
My apologies to Rob, who started a great idea for a webpage, it just needs to be updated with generic descriptive domains for examples of domains that are truly appreciable marketing assets for their company. They are hard to find, but there are at least 150 good ones.
Ironically, Forbes.com published an article about the “time being right for companies to buy up domain names,” and although filled with some confusing and distorted facts, the story still makes a sale for domainers!
NOTE: I welcome any and all submissions here of domain names that are clearly generic descriptive of a product or service (prodservs) and the companies that own them. I will work with Rob to get these domains on his list if they truly fit the description of:
“THIS DOMAIN NAME CLEARLY STATES THE GENERIC DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THIS COMPANY SELLS OR IF IT IS DESCRIBING THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS”



6 Responses to “WHAT DO END USERS REALLY THINK OF DOMAINS?”
By Ed - Michigan on Jul 13, 2009
Stephen…
Beverages.com
Re-Directs to KraftFoods.com
Interesting Huh….?
Ed – Michigan
XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:
Hi Ed,
Yes it does! And that’s a killer domain name to own. Do you have any other thoughts about that domain and Kraft foods? It seems that Kraft “got it” for that investment. I’d like you to elaborate further on your comment about how that’s “interesting”.
cheers!
By Chip Meade on Jul 14, 2009
I happen to agree with a part of your premise that a few of the names highlighted by Rob were ill concieved and not very beneficial to the end-user company that used them. What I do not agree with is your blanket statements about how most of the domains did not serve the interests of the businesses that used them. your arguements are exactly why the end-user community has not embraced the value of domains.
Domains are a tool, and many of those names were used to support a broader campaign to educate/inform their audience. With all your experience in marketing you should know that effective promotion/marketing needs to be about the USP-unique selling proposition, not the product itself. hamburger.com is a great domain, but it doesn’t do anything to advance the brand of a burger chain, where HeavenOnABun.com will. Domainers should encourage and embrace the use of domain attached to marketing campaigns. A the power of the “tool” (domain) is recognized as more effective, the value and use of more generic domains will rise. A domain does not have to have “everlasting” value to contribute significant value to an organization. Ask Obama08.com owners, was that a bust of a name?
You glib comment about ad agencies using different or non-generic domains as a way to control the message and marketing dollars is almost too absurd for a response. As a marketing professional you should know that success, traffic and revenue provide the control in that relationship and if they knew a generic name would provide all that, they would snap them up…fast. It is our job as domainers and marketers to educate them to that value so we can get better $$$ for our names.
Hmm, maybe that needs an ad campaign. KillerMarketingTool.com might be a good domain to promote that fact…..
XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:
Now this is a post I love. There are so many points in your comment here to respond to, you and I need to have an offline discussion and I’ll post the results of our head-to-head discussion about advertisers buying lame-ass advertising “themes” that die after 90 days, and how that “benefits” the ad agency’s client.
Just to start the debate off, you can email me and tell me how an advertising/marketing theme that literally eliminates the client’s prodservs from the domain helps the client. Why don’t you show me how 10 domains listed on Rob’s list work in your intepretation of ROI for the client.
Tell me how traditional advertising costs, such as TV, Radio, Magazine, newspaper, and even online banners using a domain name that doesn’t immediately CAPTURE the client’s prodservs for an evergreen investment is worth it to the client? The ad agency benefits, for sure, but as usual, the client’s payment for the ad campaign is like flushing money down the toilet after a few weeks to a few months.
You don’t take into consideration I worked for FCB, and in my own productions and events, I spent over $2 million in advertising by traditional methods. I’ve made more money from domains than any return made from “ad agency campaigns” where they buy the domain name matching their campaign theme.
I invite you to have a nice debate regarding these points. I’ll give you links to your site, and to any articles proving or providing data to support your arguments.
You are someone who has an opinion about ad/marketing and how domains fit, so I’m very open to discussing this with you. I want you to convince me that I’m wrong.
my email address: successclick at g m ai l .com
I look forward to hearing from you!
By Teahupoo Hall on Jul 14, 2009
I TOTALLY AGREE with your post. I have been trying to get people to see this as well.
How can it make sense to pay thousands of dollars a month for a keyword phrase on PPC when you could OWN the domain for less?
I didn’t see an email to send you names so I am posting them here:
PENSACOLABANKRUPTCYLAWYERS.COM
PENSACOLAMUSEUM.COM
PENSACOLAUSEDCARS.COM
PREPAIDLIFEINSURANCE.COM
PRESCHOOLTUTORING.COM
RACINGBOATPARTS.COM
SALTWATERFLYROD.COM
SCRAPBOOKINGSET.COM
SEBASTIANFLORIDA.NET
SEWINGMACHINESWHOLESALE.COM
SEXYBRIDALLINGERIE.COM
STUDENTVISACREDITCARD.NET
TALONBODYKITS.COM
TEENAGEACNECURE.COM
TIRECHANGINGTOOLS.COM
TORTOLADIVING.COM
TRACTORTIREBARGAINS.COM
ALL of the domain names above have numerous exact match advertisers bidding for that term.
Gregg
XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:
Hi Gregg,
I didn’t want to provide you a forum for all those domains, so I cut them, let’s see if you can sell these I featured. If you do, you owe me 10% referral commission. That’s the ongoing agreement between domainers and bloggers/newsites that feature domains. You’re on the honor system, so remember that word “kharma!”
good luck!
By Ed - Michigan on Jul 21, 2009
Honorable STEPHAN,
Re: ” Interesting…Huh? ”
IMHO, Kraft Foods has left the indelible
impression on our TV sets for year as the
company who produces Quality Foods, even
under writing certain special Quality movies
from time to time on Network Television.
I didn’t know them to be a Beverage Company.
My ” Huh? ” makes me think they are more than
a domain name investor. Wonder if they are
preparing to be a ” Beverage Dealer ” in the
future and snagged the name.
Maybe then they would be ready for
” BeverageCup.com “….just maybe.
Thanks S.
Big Ed
XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:
Hey Big Ed,
You make a good point. And that “beveragecup.com” domain reminds me of those quickie soups, fruit cups, and other beverage containers. You have to sell the “cup’ angle. Maybe make beverage cup and idea for a company to include milk and some sort of cereal container attached to the bottom. So you have a cup of milk, with one of those little cereal boxes attached to the bottom. Inside the cereal box is a little spoon. So you can buy “Frosted Flakes” ready to go, with the cup for the cereal and the milk, and a little spoon.
Think about it… a little cereal snack kit. I can see my idea being developed right now, and it wouldn’t be the first time.
cheers!
By Ed - Michigan on Jul 26, 2009
Honorable S.
Hmmmmmmmmm…….
Is that what you do best ??
Think outside the box ??
Big Ed.
XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:
Hi Big Ed,
I would say “yes” if I liked that term, but it’s so over-used that “thinking outside of the box” just means you haven’t found your own special box to think in, and that everyone else is outside that box scrambling around trying to find “that” special box!
cheers,
Stephen
By Teahupoo Hall on Jul 29, 2009
No problem Stephen. I really didn’t put them up with the idea of selling them as much as to show examples of what your post speaks of.
I estimate that at least 95% of companies DON’T get it, maybe more.
Teahupoo
P.S. Where in the Pacific Northwest are you?
XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:
Hi Gregg,
Why do I have the feeling your name “Teahupoo” represents a bone crushing surf break?
I’m up in beautiful Oregon, although I do some work in SoCal and my office is located there.