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By Michael Sumner on Feb 27, 2010

Just curious, how many of your WhyPark sites rank well in Google? I don’t see ProduceIndustry.com anywhere in the dominant search engine (which can see through scraper sites).

Bing actually rates DomainTools WHOIS of ProduceIndsutry.com on page one for “produce industry” without quotes, but I don’t see your “real” site anywhere. That’s pretty sad when Bing sees your contact info as more relevant to the produce industry than your WhyPark site

Why do you think Bing is going to take over Yahoo search? Their technology is terrible. AOL doesn’t have your site anywhere either.

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Hi Michael,

I first see your comment referring to Whypark as a “scraper site” when in fact it is not.

I have seen some indexed pages on my sitemap appear on Google, Bing, Yahoo, but I don’t even think about AOL. Are they still in business?

Nobody can claim to “own” the information and SEO expertise to put any website at the top of every SE list. If they do, they’re liars and frauds. It doesn’t matter if you go through Whypark, Devhub, or any other domain content development service…, nobody controls the ability to WIN at any particular SE. However, you CAN control whether you have a CHANCE at getting indexed with the simple fact that PPC landing pages most likely will NOT get indexed.

I don’t have time to compare Google indexing comparisons with my domains I add to Whypark, because I’ve added over 100 domains to Whypark in just the last 6 months. If I spent time looking for “wheee! I’m getting killer positioning on this ratio of domains to those I’ve submitted to WP”, then I wouldn’t have any time left to do my other projects.

It’s this simple: Either you put your sites on a landing page for PPC and get nothing, or you do a Noomle build, and work hard for content, or WordPress and start a blog – but these are all SINGULAR activities with a lot of focus. I don’t have time for that. I have too many domains, but 80% don’t get any recognition or traffic because they’re future trend domains. Know anybody who’s typed in “HolographKits.com” lately? Nope, but with WhyPark, I can add my site, get some hologram news feeds, but the main key is I can create Custom pages to add to my index at will. So if I wanted to, I can write 100 pages of Custom pages on Holograph Kits with 150 words per page, and push that site to the top, or not. That’s not my game. My game is to get my domains making NOTHING to quickly be potential candidates for SE indexing and turning into something.

If Domaintools whois likes my contact info for “produce industry” and puts it first, that’s perfect. I’m a flipper. If that domain was a PS, you wouldn’t be seeing it there, or rarely if possible.

I don’t know why some domainers put down Whypark because they don’t immediately produce a Gooogle website with results in the top 10, without putting any effort into the site themselves. You have to WEIGH THE OPTIONS of what you want to do with your portfolio. If you have 20 killer Premium domains getting 1000′s of uniques a month, then build out the sites professionally, and have a team create original content and design, utilizing PPC, CPA’s and even ebook fulfillment. But if you have over 100 domains, and the majority of them aren’t performing, WhyPark is the obvious upgrade for those domains, not a PS. It’s like a no-brainer.

By Domain sales on Feb 27, 2010

I love whypark for parking my unused domains. The link at the top of the page actually increases offers for my domains. I started using them over a year ago and did not like them since I did have some sites deindexed, so I bought deindexed.com lol. Now I have a few hundred domains on whypark and all show up on the front page or second page in all major search engines. The system is great for now.

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Hi Greg,

Yes, there were complaints about deindexing back in early 2008 and some people still are living back then, but that was before the newer version of WP came out in early 2009, and now another will be coming soon (shhhhh) probably before mid-summer. I’m stoked that WP is working better for you now! stay tuned!

Thanks for writing!

By Michael Sumner on Feb 27, 2010

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds to a comment from Michael Sumner:

(Michael’s post is below in quotes)

Hi Michael,

Whew… lots to answer here. You’re in quotes, and my answer is in italics.

“You know the goal of a search engine, right? It’s to give you sites that match a phrase in decreasing order of quality. What I don’t understand is why domainers and WP’ers think they deserve top Google rankings when they made their site in under 10 seconds.”

I never stated anything about “deserving” a “top google ranking”. I was surprised and happy to see some of my domains in good Google and other SE rankings. Whether it “deserves” it or not is purely a moral issue, and you can hop on the podium about that all day long and you’ll get a lot of different opinions from your Q&A.

“I hear it over and over from WhyPark: oh, you can add custom content so it isn’t a scraper site. Then nobody spends time writing their own content, or paying money for content to be developed, because that “isn’t their game”, and the MO of a WP user is the “easy way out” crowd.”

I don’t think you know enough about Whypark to make some of the assertions you are. Whypark has RSS feed ability, does that make it a “scraper site?”. Some people say yes, others no. But you don’t know that WhyPark has a huge database of articles covering hundreds if not thousands of topics. And there are many different original content for different site topics. Most of Whypark sites will get at least one of these “original content” story. Will someone else get that same story too? Probably, but I definitely add custom pages to my sites on a regular basis. I don’t have them on all my sites yet, but I’m doing it. You can’t “paint” all WP users with the same brush, and you know better than to say something so stereotypical like that. Many domainers are not the “easy way out” crowd when using WhyPark. I’d apply that to PPC players, but I doubt they’d appreciate that label either, since it’s not easy making money from domain investing, either way you go.

“Unless you’re getting significantly more traffic from search, you’re worse off with a WP site because CTR is higher on a parked page than a developed site.”

That statement is moot because I don’t move domains to WhyPark that get any typein traffic at a PPC that is making decent money. I only move domains over that get no uniques, so CTR is irrelevant at that point, correct?

“The only place WP makes sense to me is for domains with very low search volume and competition, and low-to-no type-in traffic. (read: domains that don’t have a pulse)”

Now you admit WP has usage parameters that “make sense” for you. There you have it. Exactly, but it’s not limited to just those types of domains either. However, you did see the point most users are looking at when they move domains to WhyPark, and its working well for them. I’m making an average of $.65 a month on my domains at WP. Previous revenue on those domains? ZERO.

“But to say WP pushes your domain to the front is a bit of a Frager headline. You’re on the first page for a term that gets 110 exact searches per month on a search engine that only gets 14.5% of the search market. So if Google gets 110 searches at 66.3% market share, Yahoo would get 23 a month. Factor in half of searches don’t result in a click, and then #1 only gets about 43% of the remaining searches, you’re probably getting single digit visitors a month. Is that better than parking? I’m sure it is. Does that mean WP is good for anything but mediocre domains? Nope.”

Bro, that’s too much analytical thought for a simple purpose of that website, which is to present a nice look to potential buyers, and get “someone” to see it and buy it. If only ten people a month see it from it’s SE placement, and one person enquires about it, that’s good enough for me. And what’s your beef with Frager? LOL

“Thanks for posting my previous comment and for your thoughtful response to it.”

You’re welcome. I enjoy reading your opinions and hopefully changing your mind if possible.

By Larry on Feb 27, 2010

WhyPark does totally deindex some WhyPark sites.

I did get to the first position on several domains using WhyPark only to have Google TOTALLY deindex me.

That was enough for me….I pulled everything. It’s no secret they are deindexing WhyPark sites, and nobody else can say otherwise b/c I have seen it myself. Plus, most of every other domainer or developer that has mentioned this is a professional. Just go ask NetMeg or any of the highly regarded Google experts and they will tell you the same thing.

This is no secret or made up notion. Use WhyPark….get deindexed.

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Hi Larry…. here you are with the same mantra you’ve been discussing since 2007. I see Netmeg on the Whypark forum all the time and she seems quite happy in discussing WhyPark lately, and from what I’ve seen, she’s been nice about WP.

Tell me, Larry: how many domains do you have parked at PPC and out of those, how many of them are indexed on Google? None. So you’re not getting the point of Whypark. I could care less if Google deindexes my site because I’m not just basing my life on Google searches. It’s nice if it’s indexed, and maybe surprising, but it’s not my world. Google deindexes websites sites all the time, seemingly randomly, for their own reasons. Google isn’t a “transparent” company by any stretch of the imagination, and anyone who tells you they “know” (“ergo Google Experts”) what Google is doing, what they’re going to do, how they do it, etc, is just pushing shadows at you and you’re either kissing or boxing them.

My point for Whypark is that they give me a nice site without the hassle, which I try to add custom pages to as I add them. My general purpose is to flip the domain ultimately, but with Whypark I have websites instead of landing pages for domains that didn’t make money at PPC, and weren’t ever indexed before.

Thanks for writing tho… Larry. Hope all is well.

By Louise on Feb 27, 2010

Hi Stephen, Can you supply another example than Produce Industry .com?

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Hi Louise,

Yes, “Electric Fashion™”. I own ElectricFashion.com™ — i thinks there is an earlier blog post on my site here you can read.

By everything.tv on Feb 27, 2010

Good analysis Stephen, you have to use things for what they are. You cannot expect a name with 8 uniques parked to move to Why Park or Noomle and be first 3 pages Google in a month.

First thing in this business is you have to know who you are. Developer,Flipper,Traffic Aggregator etc… and move on your business plan.

I agree that your contact info being right there is a plus for a flipper. That’s great take the potential buyer right to the info.

Best of luck.

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Hi Everything.tv,

Thanks for the nice sentiments.

Yes, it’s true that I’m mainly a flipper, and that Whypark really gives me a good sales platform for this purpose. Buyers are more interested when they see a website with content on it representing a domain they want. They also see it as more valuable, or tend to. This isn’t scientific, its just what I’ve noticed from selling domains. Some buyers just don’t “get” landing pages, and think you’re not “doing anything” with the site, so you should sell it cheap. lol

By Patrick on Feb 27, 2010

Stephen,

On your blog post above you put a TM mark after the domain: PRODUCEINDUSTRY.COM™.

But on your actual web page you put the TM mark after Produce Industry.

PRODUCE INDUSTRY™ FACTS

Is that an error?

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for noticing that, but it isn’t an error. It’s a simple strategy for domainers to use to let anyone seeing the domain that you are “TMing” the name, including the .com extension, and are posting notice. A trademark has to be promoted for five years before a TM is applied to it officially (obtain the TM), so I now am placing the ™ on domains I’m putting up on Whypark to at least make the public notification. There is more to it, so don’t take it as legal advice, but you need to place a “notice” on anything you may want to TM officially… and the first use rights. This may take the edge off reverse-hijackers’ and their attempts to steal your domains.

By william on Feb 28, 2010

I’m having great success with the whypark platform, thanks to companies like williamblairpinc and others william

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Hi William,

I’d be glad to give your site a shout out, but I want to ask you two questions:

First, why not use a generic descriptive branded domain name for your service instead of the clumsy “williamblairinc.com” vanity name? Why not some domain that describes your site succinctly and memorably? It makes me doubt the ability for you to promote my domains if you aren’t already locked in with your own service site’s brand domain.

Secondly, I’m a big sinner, so I’m not trying to be sanctimonious here, but I don’t believe in selling religious domains for profit, UNLESS you’re giving all profits to charity. Are you selling your religious domains with the intent to give ALL the receipts to a good charity? I’d like that if you were. If anyone is selling religious domains and keeps the profits, they’re just as bad as televangelists… yechhh. Think about it.

By Mike on Feb 28, 2010

What do you all use for domain name management software – say, for a portfolio of 1500+ names…

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Hi Mike,

I sell a FileMaker Domain Database template for $100 that I developed about a decade ago and improved to include all the features a domainer needs. It’s easy to add more if you want. I should put it up for sale and bullet point its features, because it helps me manage my 3500 domains. It covers everything from registration date, categories and sub-categories, monetization intent, flag reports, meta tag field, Notes field, pricing reports, reserve price reports, simple column reports, auto html link code generation, registrars, sold/not sold, aggregate price totals on category reports, and much more. Usually my clients buy it, but I think I’ll offer it to anyone at some point. It’s main purpose is to keep track of your domains and is very useful if you have 500 domains or more. (Or 100 if you want fine details of everything you do… depends on your needs).

Filemaker is a cross platform application that works on Macs and PC’s both. I use all Macs in my office and home, but Filemaker works for PC’s too. If anyone’s interested in getting this database, let me know. I’ll give you a 3 day guarantee on the file.

By Patrick on Feb 28, 2010

Stephan says:
“It’s a simple strategy for domainers to use to let anyone seeing the domain that you are “TMing” the name, including the .com extension”

I like that strike first strategy. It certainly can’t hurt.
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Stephan says:
“A trademark has to be promoted for five years before a TM is applied to it officially (obtain the TM), so I now am placing the ™ on domains I’m putting up on Whypark to at least make the public notification. ”

The reason I asked my original question is I do not believe you could ever really get a TM registration for “Produce Center” without some other qualifier such as
“Stephen’s Produce Center”.

“Produce Center” is simply too generic.

“Electric Fashion” is a different story… unless someone else already claims a TM.

By the way, have you seen this from Trend Hunter Magazine?

If this ever catches on ElectricFashion.com could prove valuable.

“Light up Your Wardrobe With Lytec”

“LyTec is…commonly known as Electroluminescent Wire…When a high frequency electrical voltage is applied, it glows like neon.”.

http://snurl.com/ElectricFashion

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Hi Patrick,

I think you got my domain wrong… it’s “produceindustry.com”. But you’re RIGHT on your assessment of the ability to TM the domain, but here’s the good part — it applies to the reverse hijacker too! So the attacker can’t go across the river to my camp without first burning down their own camp. Get it? You can’t TM general well-used common non-distinctive words unless they’ve become a vernacular accepted over a long stretch of time, like “Kleenex”. But if I’m TMing the domains in their online display, it at least gives a “pause” for any bored retained attorneys of a large company who want to launch a reverse hijacking attack. It means their “legal argument” is just as bad as mine will be… which then favors me. I think this is a legal strategy that may work, and I don’t want to draw the evil eye. Any domain attys want to weigh in, I’d be happy to post their opinion. Ari? Sturgeon? Berryhill?

As far as “Trend Hunter”, heh… dude, I’ve been watching these magazines and niche freeky deeky reports since 2004. I knew digital/electronic clothing was coming five years ago. I saw a beautiful representation of this during the opening and closing of the Vancouver Games.

I will admit that I bought a lot of domains in this niche, and I had to stop, because I was going overboard trying every level of the niche… you know how expensive that can get! So I focused more on the best of the best of these domains. I think I own the best of the electronic clothing domains already (my secret weapon that will freak out the industry by 2012 or sooner). lol. It took a lot of research and reading, and I learned a lot about electronics, alternative energy, fashion trends, and lots of exciting stuff coming soon to us all, including 3D tv, holograms, cellphone apps, etc.

I’m not worried about discussing this now, because I already let the cat out of the bag on this when Monte interviewed me back in Oct 2006 on DomainMaster Radio and sweet talked me into revealing what I was doing. I did. So now, I think of Monte Cahn when I search up a new future trend being discussed, and every variation of that trend has already been registered. (Thanks a lot Monte!) Here’s a test any domainer can do to find out if they strike gold on an OOTB:

DO A SEARCH USING THE WORD “GREEN” AS AN ADJECTIVE, AND USE ANY NOUN YOU WANT TO COMPLETE THE DOMAIN PHRASE. SEARCH UP THE .COM IN BULK TO SEE IF THEY’RE AVAILABLE. You won’t find anything… it’s kind of scary, actually. So if you own any domains with the word “green” as an adjective, you probably own a valuable domain, especially if it was bought OOTB.

The color “green” is of course a synonym for “environmentally friendly”. You won’t find any domain OOTB with the “green” adjective and decent noun.

By J.R. on Feb 28, 2010

Haha, correct!

Google for:
immer frei
gluck platz
catch cash
scientific appraisal
scientific domain appraisal
scientific domain appraising
free domain appraising

Usually in top 10 – If not in SERP #1 …
Content?
Not really relevant.

Received several offers.
Will maybe sell, but not sure.

But Stephen is for the greater part right.

Success!

Johnny.

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Thanks Johnny… can you explain your google searches and how they’re relevant to buying future trend domains? It looked interesting but you didn’t finish the deed!

By Patrick on Mar 1, 2010

“Hi Patrick,

I think you got my domain wrong… it’s “produceindustry.com”. ”

Yes, sorry.

Brain malfunction.
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Re: ElectricFashion.com

Can you wear that clothing out in the rain?

Could be a “shocking” experience.

“`ZZZzzzz“`

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“DO A SEARCH USING THE WORD “GREEN” AS AN ADJECTIVE, AND USE ANY NOUN YOU WANT TO COMPLETE THE DOMAIN PHRASE. SEARCH UP THE .COM IN BULK TO SEE IF THEY’RE AVAILABLE. You won’t find anything… ”

Not to discount what you said cause it’s basically true but…

Thanks to Tia Wood* and her Domain Idea Box, I found (and regged) an available Green keyword product domain.

GreenBrakes .com

I’m usually wary when I find a domain that perhaps should not be available for hand reg.

Doing a little Google research for “Green Brakes” I came across some relevant info that may prove the domain was worth registering.

Of particular note was this company’s website:
http://www.nrsbrakes.com/NRS_green.html
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By the way, GreenCustomerService.com is also available if anyone is interested.

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*no relation to Tiger Woods (but apparently allegedly had relations with him)

Source:
DomainGang.com

http://tinyurl.com/TigerAndTia

See comments # 6 and 7

XXXXXX Stephen Douglas Responds:

Heh heh… good one!